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[16:19:34]<Phaeton[75km]>sort of what I do with giants ;)
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[16:19:51]<Oneiro>Heh
[16:24:24]<Phaeton[75km]>well, to me -giants- are the micros ;)
[16:25:02]<Oneiro>Well not all of us can be cosmic superbeings
[16:25:05]<Oneiro>by default
[16:25:12]<Phaeton[75km]>true
[16:25:58]<Oneiro>Besides you wouldn't stand a chance against size-limiters :P But fortunately they're not mandatory.
[16:26:36]<Phaeton[75km]>hmm?
[16:28:03]<Oneiro>Size-limiter diminishing returns and hard-cap. Prevents giants from getting redonkulously huge with a hard cap but still gives variety in size with just the 'really big' giants. Smaller giants are their intended size.
[16:28:55]<Phaeton[75km]>oh, what are those?
[16:29:15]<Oneiro>I'm trying to find a imperial to metric converter to provide an example
[16:29:41]<Phaeton[75km]>oh..
[16:29:55]<Phaeton[75km]>but what are the size limiters, how do they work?
[16:31:37]<Oneiro>The size-limiter rule is pretty much a reality-level roleplaying rule. If I can provide a example it would make explaining it easier.
[16:33:03]<Oneiro>Dang, it is REALLY hard to find working links!
[16:33:04]<Phaeton[75km]>ahh
[16:33:52]<Oneiro>Okay got it!
[16:34:05]<Oneiro>You are 75km or 246062.9 feet tall
[16:34:17]<Phaeton[75km]>at the moment, yeah
[16:34:51]<Oneiro>According to the current formula, your size would be reduced to 432ft since you hit the hard cap WAY hard.
[16:35:21]<Phaeton[75km]>oh?
[16:35:32]<Oneiro>If you are a smaller 216ft, you are your intended size
[16:36:00]<Phaeton[75km]>that's considerablly smallre than my natural size
[16:36:08]<Oneiro>But if you are bigger than 216ft, 2/3rds of your size is ignored, so you're still bigger than 216ft, but not your intended size
[16:36:44]<Oneiro>If you're 300ft normally, your adjusted size is 244ft
[16:37:22]<Oneiro>300 - 216 = 84 / 3 = 28 + 216 = 244ft
[16:37:55]<Oneiro>It's kind of complicated but it basically means you take away the size that's unaffected, cut the extra height to a third, then put the unaffected height back on
[16:38:29]<Oneiro>A originally 300ft tall giant is smaller due to the rule, but they will be larger than someone who was 250ft adjusted down.
[16:38:48]<Oneiro>It's less growth, not no growth at all, until you hit the cap
[16:38:58]<Oneiro>You hit the hard cap at just under 900ft.
[16:39:22]<Phaeton[75km]>oh, what is all this anyhow?
[16:39:41]<Oneiro>Because anybody can be ANY SIZE, the hard cap stops them from simply overgrowing to reach their intended height
[16:40:10]<Oneiro>It's just a fun macroematical experiment of mine based on the way my favourite MMO handles power balance
[16:40:44]<Oneiro>216ft giants see 6ft humans as around two inches tall, 432ft tall giants see people at around a one inch scale
[16:41:07]<Oneiro>In case you wanted to know why I used those oddly specific heights
[16:41:57]<Phaeton[75km]>so how does 300 feet equal 244 feet, but 75 km is only 432 feet?
[16:42:43]<Oneiro>75km doesn't equal 432ft, 432ft is the hard cap. That is to say, even if your resulting height is still bigger than 432ft after calculation, you're 432ft regardless.
[16:43:02]<Oneiro>I'll try to give you some metric conversions for your convenience
[16:43:35]<Phaeton[75km]>problem is.. sopme folks see -giants- as only an inch or two tall
[16:43:49]<Oneiro>432ft = 0.131673 km
[16:44:38]<Oneiro>I know you're a BIIIIIIIIIIGun Phaeton, which is why the rule is not mandatory and not even officially enforced. Because it would affect you quite a lot.
[16:48:08]<Oneiro>I should try finding a reverse version of this rule, a rule which prevents people getting smaller than a certain size, would be a fun challenge
[16:53:03]<Oneiro>It's going to be tricky
[16:53:34]<Phaeton[75km]>well, I'm technically shrunken down at 75km
[16:54:23]<Oneiro>It's incredibly unlikely a size-limiter rule would ever be enforced in any room you hang out in Phaeton, so you don't have to worry about it too much
[16:55:15]<Oneiro>But in the unlikely event it did happen, regardless of how big you are normally, you're most likely end up 432ft tall, hitting the hard cap. Unless the formula values are altered.
[16:55:37]<Phaeton[75km]>ahh
[16:55:38]<Oneiro>I know my ant titan Drone and Valkan's titan form will be shrunk to 432ft tall
[16:58:53]<Oneiro>So it's not a specific attack on your particular hugeness, it was never an attack on anybody really. I just wanted to apply a MMO game mechanic to macro/micro tis' all
[17:00:17]<Phaeton[75km]>well, problem is, you need to MMO everything then.. like folks magical abilities, tech, etc...
[17:01:49]<Oneiro>I can't make an official implementation of the rule nor did I really have the intention to.
[17:02:05]<Oneiro>I made it for fun.
[17:02:56]<Phaeton[75km]>well, it's just very one sided though
[17:03:06]<Oneiro>One-sided?
[17:03:47]<Phaeton[75km]>well, some folks have magic powers, some have tech, some have size... you are trying to limit one aspect, but letting all others have free range...
[17:04:16]<Phaeton[75km]>how would the sci-fi/space types react if you were to do a 'tech limiter' to 1885 tech?
[17:06:45]<Oneiro>Would be pretty interesting actually, could be a planet that causes massive electrostatic spikes that messes up sci-fi tech, good idea!
[17:06:58]<Phaeton[75km]>but if you are bnormally trek level of tech, you hit the hard limit and have 1920's tech
[17:07:37]<Phaeton[75km]>and if you are a mage.. you hit a hard limit, and if you know 9th level spells, you hit the hard limit of 3rd levelspells.
[17:08:30]<Oneiro>You're treating this size-limiter as if it's some impending change happening to the servers, but the intention of the limit was essentially to make giants who are giant, but not viewing planets as marbles. But using diminishing returns to give variance to size wo are larger than the smaller giants.
[17:08:40]<Oneiro>If anything the size-limiter is a house rule.
[17:08:58]<Oneiro>House rules aren't core rules.
[17:09:00]<Phaeton[75km]>but you are missing the point...
[17:09:36]<Oneiro>You're basically saying that giants should be whatever size they want, and I don't have a problem with that.
[17:09:40]<Phaeton[75km]>you are gimping the core concept of some characters
[17:10:06]<Phaeton[75km]>if you are gonna gimp -everything- that is different...
[17:11:09]<Oneiro>I've gimped the core concept of some of my characters too, Drone and Valkan. If the rule ever affected them.
[17:11:28]<Phaeton[75km]>fort some, being huge is as muich a part of them as spots on a dalmation or stripes on a zebra
[17:12:12]<Phaeton[75km]>I notice you didn't respond to what I said about tech and magic and such...
[17:13:35]<Oneiro>I'm confused why you're taking it so personally, as if I've just told you that the size-limiter rule is in effect and there isn't anything you could do about it. But really, I can't make you limit your size as much as I can make you do anything else.
[17:13:36]<Phaeton[75km]>if your concept is being a Trek person come back to modern day... but you take away their tech, etc.. you gimp the core concept of the character, no?
[17:14:16]<Oneiro>Besides, in your Star Trek example, some episodes have been centered around the CHARACTERS being stuck in different times without their sci-fi tech, and they got through it regardless.
[17:14:16]<Phaeton[75km]>no, just saying how it's sort of a stupid concept unless you are limiting folks across the board, not just gimping some concepts.
[17:14:31]<Oneiro>The tech does not make the character.
[17:14:51]<Phaeton[75km]>I think you are intentionally missing the point.
[17:15:14]<Oneiro>Then how would I nerf the rest of the board then?
[17:15:27]<Phaeton[75km]>in the tecjh example... you would also have to be gimping the knowledge to -make- tech
[17:16:04]<Phaeton[75km]>or like saying you have a nija character, but you'd not have any stealth or kung fu/martial arts abilities
[17:17:36]<Oneiro>I believe you're missing the point. The rule doesn't stop you from being a giant, besides, it's not a rule I can use much in a casual roleplaying environment anyway, casual RP rooms have no rules as, funnily enough, a rule.
[17:18:10]<Oneiro>size-limiter would only work in a room with concenting players in a rule framework. Where it's accepted, not forced.
[17:20:18]<Oneiro>I would not force you to change your character if you didn't want to do it, it's common courtesy.
[17:22:50]<Phaeton[75km]>no, just saying that you aren't proposing limits on things -other- than size, so by default you'd be excluding some folks concepts but not asking anyone else to make any sacrifices
[17:25:33]<Oneiro>Tell me, right in my digital eye, are you hurt because this rule seems to affect you and nobody else you can recall in IRC?
[17:26:24]<Oneiro>Because I'm starting to feel bad about bringing this up now, because you're taking it so personally when I was just happy playing around with the formula and the numbers, nothing more.
[17:26:56]<Phaeton[75km]>no, just saying that a size limiter like that affects some aspects of things, but you aren't saying well, group X has to accept limit Y... so to be fair, Group A needs to accept Limit B
[17:27:33]<Phaeton[75km]>for a giant or titan, nerfing size, is like nerfing magic or fire breathiong etc for a dragon...
[17:27:56]<Phaeton[75km]>or nerfing tech for a space pirate, mecha pilot, cyborg, etc...
[17:28:38]<Oneiro>Can a fire-breathing giant crush a continent in one step? Can a space-pirate or cyborg smash planets around like pinballs?
[17:29:07]<Phaeton[75km]>can a bronze age titan nuke a city, or move at warm speed from system to system?
[17:29:54]<Oneiro>You know what, I give up, The rule's being deleted.
[17:30:12]<Phaeton[75km]>just trying to show you that it's a bit one sided
[17:30:36]<Oneiro>Phaeton at his normal size is that of a god.
[17:30:43]<Oneiro>A physical god at least
[17:31:49]<Oneiro>And as far as roleplaying goes, Gods are stricted to NPCs or god-modders. You are not a god-modder. Why does did the rule exist? So giants could be giants without being overpowered. But that doesn't matter because casual roleplaying rooms aren't the place for rules or limitations.
[17:32:16]<Phaeton[75km]>and I can't access wifi, or do some things that some characters can... size is part of what I am... you want to remove part of what defines one type of character, to be fair you need to do the same across the board
[17:35:16]<Phaeton[75km]>I have no problem with limiting aspects, as long as -everyone- has to be limited in things.
[17:35:34]<Oneiro>Have you not realised how powerful a normal sized Phaeton is?
[17:36:20]<Oneiro>Or any giant Phaeton's size?
[17:36:28]<Phaeton[75km]>and what about Oneiro's abilities??
[17:38:20]<Oneiro>He's just a floating energy spirit now, I've forgone his ability to grant wishes or anything like that. He can empower others though.
[17:38:48]<Phaeton[75km]>oh, and some people wouldn't find a floating energy spirit possible?
[17:38:55]<Phaeton[75km]>or powerful?
[17:40:48]<Phaeton[75km]>'giant' or 'titan' are concepts, like 'spirit' or 'ninja' or 'cyborg'
[17:41:04]<Oneiro>Why are you taking this so personally Phaeton? On a rule that doesn't even matter for regular roleplaying purposes.
[17:41:28]<Oneiro>I'm really wishing I never told you anything about this now, because I can't get out of this conversation
[17:42:06]<Phaeton[75km]>well, how would you take it, if sonmeone told you your concept was 'wrong'?
[17:43:49]<Oneiro>I would take note and listen to why they thought it was wrong. What if someone told you that there was this hypothetical rule that doesn't apply to anybody yet it keeps getting brought up as if it was?
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